‘We have always existed with fire’

Education about the history and role of controlled burns in northeast Minnesota is key, officials say.

‘We have always existed with fire’
Panelists Vern Northrup, left, Clark Christenson, and Valerie Ross Zhaawendaagozikwe speak on Saturday, May 31, 2025 at Hartley Nature Center in Duluth, Minn. (Erica Dischino for Project Optimist)

DULUTH, Minn. – Education is the biggest obstacle officials have to hurdle before they can hold prescribed burns more frequently across northeast Minnesota. 

That’s according to panelists who spoke during an event about the role of fire in the region on Saturday, May 31, hosted by Hartley Nature Center and Project Optimist. 

Humans used fire to “shape our environment,” said Vern Northrup, a Fond du Lac Band elder and retired wildland firefighter.

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“We have always existed with fire,” Northrup said. “We’ve coexisted with fire. We learned that fire was very important to our environment.”

Before fire suppression became common, Native Americans used frequent, low-intensity controlled burns to manage deadfall and undergrowth in forests. Northrup heard stories of Ojibwe people who could walk in the forest under a canopy of trees, free from brush. They would travel to Duluth via canoe on Lake Superior and see a hillside that looked blue because it was so full of blueberries. 

Valerie Ross Zhaawendaagozikwe, a University of Wisconsin-Superior student, was part of a research team that studied red pine trees on Minnesota and Wisconsin points. 

“By using dendrochronology – counting the rings – we could see the history of the fires and the increments of the fires, which were done by the Ojibwe people, or Anishinaabe, on the points,” she said “And then we could see when it abruptly stopped after the signing of the 1854 Treaty.”

A Native American woman smiles during an event. She has long, dark hair that falls past her shoulders. She wears glasses and has a nose ring. She wears a red, short-sleeve button-down shirt over a black T-shirt. Tattoos are visible on one of her arms.
Valerie Ross Zhaawendaagozikwe smiles as she explains her research. (Erica Dischino for Project Optimist)

The research Zhaawendaagozikwe worked on is currently being peer reviewed. Clark Christenson, a forester for the City of Duluth, said he thinks the paper will give officials momentum to create a long-term plan for prescribed burns in the city. 

Up until now, controlled burns have been minimal in city parks. 

Clark Christenson talks about how city officials in Duluth use fire. (Erica Dischino for Project Optimist)

“Education is by far the biggest piece, not just making people aware that we want to burn and we should burn, but why we should burn … By introducing fire, we're introducing a very critical process that helps transform it into something that is hopefully more resilient, more diverse,” he said. 

Northrup spent his career traveling across the U.S. to fight wildfires, and he said they are becoming more common and more intense.

A Native American man smiles during an event. He wears a blue baseball cap with sunglasses on the brim. Gray hair peeks out underneath the hat near his ears. His mustache is dark with flecks of gray. He wears a tan button-down shirt over a blue T-shirt. He wears a beaded necklace.
Vern Northrup shares how Ojibwe people historically used fire, and what he saw during his career as a wildland firefighter. (Erica Dischino for Project Optimist)

Prescribed burns limit the fuel that drives wildfires, and he said controlled burns will be necessary to keep people safe. 

“We gotta keep using prescribed fire to create some holes … around here to protect all these cities and towns. We can't just do it mechanically. We don't have the means,” he said “We're going to have to use fire, and we're going to have to educate people that this is the only way we're going to keep ourselves safe.”

This story was edited by Nora Hertel.

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